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He sells the 2009 release of "TrueBlue" 3s.
Talked to him on MSN

I purchased these from Air Randy back in '09 and he was totally legit! 

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Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.

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dudes legit.. just makes me mad.. that he says wholesale prices but wants to charge like 275 for the cg 11.. theres nothing whole sale about that price
anyway.. i guess some of his prices are decent if you want 1 pair.. but id rather wait and cop off swoosh for 40 % off.. anyway here are pix of the 2011 TB 3 that were ordered from jay

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whats the total price on those 3s?
  

$180-$!$
How do you know if these are the ones coming out next year or the ones that recently came out in 2009?!?! are there any big difference's cuz they appear to look the same from this.


havent been looking up on those 3s but arent the 2011s supposed to have inner red tongue ?
im sayin
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king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

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Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

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Mar 4 11 11:42 PM

luvtheshoe wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

^^ so how do you suggest they get em sir, cause thats what the topic is abt??? You believe what nike wants you to believe SON. Unplug yourself from the matrix dawg...open your mind

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luvtheshoe wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

NIKE factory is selling them meaning they are getting money from these sales by selling "reject" pairs maybe? im not too sure whats going on, im just throwing this out there since months ago people assumed they were stolen which is ridiculous honestly.

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mrkane wrote:
luvtheshoe wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

^^ so how do you suggest they get em sir, cause thats what the topic is abt??? You believe what nike wants you to believe SON. Unplug yourself from the matrix dawg...open your mind

smiley: grin  Oh dear, you have a lot to learn about business.

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Zyzz wrote:
luvtheshoe wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

NIKE factory is selling them meaning they are getting money from these sales by selling "reject" pairs maybe? im not too sure whats going on, im just throwing this out there since months ago people assumed they were stolen which is ridiculous honestly.


My Opinion:

I Jus Think They Sell The B-Grades @ Retail Price To Sellers Such As AirRandy, Marqueesole, Ect. An They Make Profit By Selling Them For A Higher Price Jus For You To Have Them Early... Its No Way They Can Steal That Many Shoes Every Time A Shoe Comes Out With Out Nike Noticing... Nike Is A Billion Dollar Company... If They Were Getting Worked For That Many Shoes Best Believe They Woulda Filed Some Type Of Law Suit. Eastbay, Footlocker, Ect. Is Not Gonna Sell Us B-Grade Shoes... So Therefore They Will Wait To Get The Best Produced Shoes When Their Shipments Are Scheduled To Come In...  

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Rod301 wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
luvtheshoe wrote:
Zyzz wrote:
king26 wrote:
mrkane wrote:
Do yall think that "NIKE" is behind it all, because i think if one of us (average citizen) got hold of lets just say "Concords" earlier than any of them, "and selling them" NIKE would be ready to press some type of charges? I think they give NIKE a certain percentage and in turn it helps NIKE out for HYPE. Of course NIKE will put up a front that they dont release shoes early but this is the same company that basically invented child labor in third world countries. just my opinion

Yeah, but they're not located in the US so theres not much Nike can do. So I don't think Nike is behind it at all.
they are buying them straight from the Nike factory, regardless of what anyone says. people have been saying for awhile that all these being sold early were "stolen" but come on, how is it possible for all these sites to steal thousands of pairs of shoes for every release? exactly its not possible. they are most likley buying each shoe from the factory for dirt cheap

Because.....Nike's policy is no sales before release date or they will revoke your license.  Plus, Eastbay and Finishline don't get their shipments months in advance.

NIKE factory is selling them meaning they are getting money from these sales by selling "reject" pairs maybe? im not too sure whats going on, im just throwing this out there since months ago people assumed they were stolen which is ridiculous honestly.


My Opinion:

I Jus Think They Sell The B-Grades @ Retail Price To Sellers Such As AirRandy, Marqueesole, Ect. An They Make Profit By Selling Them For A Higher Price Jus For You To Have Them Early... Its No Way They Can Steal That Many Shoes Every Time A Shoe Comes Out With Out Nike Noticing... Nike Is A Billion Dollar Company... If They Were Getting Worked For That Many Shoes Best Believe They Woulda Filed Some Type Of Law Suit. Eastbay, Footlocker, Ect. Is Not Gonna Sell Us B-Grade Shoes... So Therefore They Will Wait To Get The Best Produced Shoes When Their Shipments Are Scheduled To Come In...  
Thats kinda the way i understand it too.  Nike produces so many shoes and the pre production are B-grades.  They are sold to various accounts that arent allowed to call themselves licensed retailers.  They are then sold to us as early release.  I wouldnt be surprised if nike sent some pretty bad ones but I dont think these resellers would sell those they prolly just toss em or whatver.  But i gott say that Ive bought kicks from my foot locker and champs and have noticed defects too.  The only shoes i think I would seriously stay away from early releases are numbered shoes.  Ive seenheard about some duplicates of shoes like the BIN V's that the one guy bought as a early release.  I think youre taking that chance any time you buy from retailers in Taiwan, China, Thailand Etc.

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The NIKE SCOOP from KingKickz

Hey guys Im new to the site but I noticed the interesting dialogue going on. Let me take a moment to introduce a new idea that I have been researching on for years. Remember, these major brands contract international manufacturers to produce their products. But since that fiasco in the 2000's with the workers and contractors and wages dealing with Nike, a lot of their manufacturers servered their relationship with Nike and was paid off.

Well, they still have the technology, equipment, knowledge, and labor to produce Nike goods but here's the kick, they don't have to abide by the strict contractural agreement that Nike imposes. Also, there are no copyright infringement laws in China prohibiting them from manufacturing and selling there. It has created a small underground economy that has been flooded by the selling of fakes and knockoffs.

However, there are companies who have official branded products that are recognizably identical, they just aren't certified. As long as there is a reasonable release period of these shoes and the craftenship of these manufacturers stays consistent, no one here will ever know, nor will they care to know, and you just might come across a legit ethical business like Jay and Randy. It takes money to make money and the name of the game is pay as you play. Hope this helps out a little and stirs up some thoughts and ideas guys.

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Hey guys Im new to the site but I noticed the interesting dialogue going on. Let me take a moment to introduce a new idea that I have been researching on for years. Remember, these major brands contract international manufacturers to produce their products. But since that fiasco in the 2000's with the workers and contractors and wages dealing with Nike, a lot of their manufacturers servered their relationship with Nike and was paid off.

Well, they still have the technology, equipment, knowledge, and labor to produce Nike goods but here's the kick, they don't have to abide by the strict contractural agreement that Nike imposes. Also, there are no copyright infringement laws in China prohibiting them from manufacturing and selling there. It has created a small underground economy that has been flooded by the selling of fakes and knockoffs.

However, there are companies who have official branded products that are recognizably identical, they just aren't certified. As long as there is a reasonable release period of these shoes and the craftenship of these manufacturers stays consistent, no one here will ever know, nor will they care to know, and you just might come across a legit ethical business like Jay and Randy. It takes money to make money and the name of the game is pay as you play. Hope this helps out a little and stirs up some thoughts and ideas guys.
that sounds official, thanks for dropping knowledge smiley: grin

  

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Mar 7 11 12:53 PM

^So what your are saying is that the companies no longer have contracts with Nike but still use the molds and other materials to make the shoes....? Again let me get this straight, Those companies can use a mold for the 2001 WC 3's and get the 2011 WC 3's look, shape and feel...lol. WRONG.

I have said it before and i guess I will repeat it.

The companies that produce for Nike have problems, those problems in production are called B-Grades. When there is a issue with a shoe Nike's practice is to remove that shoe plus 100 produced before it and 100 after it. so thats a total of 201 shoes, those usually end up being recycled or at places like TJ-Max or other Outlet stores depending on how bad the defect is and how far along the build is. The pairs we most likely see are the early release pairs, which are bought from Nike. No one really know the amount people like Air-Randy pay for B-Grades, but believe me, considering how much he sell them for, I would imagine around retail.

Do you all notice the size sticker on the insole? They get that after they pass inspection, B-Grades never pass so thats why they never have it. I got all his info from people I have meet and just by asking questions. Air-Randy wouldn't tell me anything, lol

I used to work for one of the Big 3, (DCX) and they had the same exact practice for bumper cover molds. Defects were used for service repairs or scrapped. Service repairs actually made more profit than normal production and most of time the covers were not even painted.

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^So what your are saying is that the companies no longer have contracts with Nike but still use the molds and other materials to make the shoes....? Again let me get this straight, Those companies can use a mold for the 2001 WC 3's and get the 2011 WC 3's look, shape and feel...lol. WRONG.

I have said it before and i guess I will repeat it.

The companies that produce for Nike have problems, those problems in production are called B-Grades. When there is a issue with a shoe Nike's practice is to remove that shoe plus 100 produced before it and 100 after it. so thats a total of 201 shoes, those usually end up being recycled or at places like TJ-Max or other Outlet stores depending on how bad the defect is and how far along the build is. The pairs we most likely see are the early release pairs, which are bought from Nike. No one really know the amount people like Air-Randy pay for B-Grades, but believe me, considering how much he sell them for, I would imagine around retail.

Do you all notice the size sticker on the insole? They get that after they pass inspection, B-Grades never pass so thats why they never have it. I got all his info from people I have meet and just by asking questions. Air-Randy wouldn't tell me anything, lol

I used to work for one of the Big 3, (DCX) and they had the same exact practice for bumper cover molds. Defects were used for service repairs or scrapped. Service repairs actually made more profit than normal production and most of time the covers were not even painted.
my playoffs 13 from rmk didnt have one. that explains the wiggle or un even sole i guess. then again, one i bought from ftl (white/red 13s, on RD) did too. and got the sz sticker.. its doesnt really bug me tho.. just tossin my 2 cents in.. this is gettin interesting,, thanks for the people who throwin their knowledge over here
  

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TheShoeKing23 wrote:
When there is a issue with a shoe Nike's practice is to remove that shoe plus 100 produced before it and 100 after it. so thats a total of 201 shoes, those usually end up being recycled or at places like TJ-Max or other Outlet stores depending on how bad the defect is and how far along the build is.   
smiley: eyes i have never seen any B-grade XI's or XIII's at any Nike outlet stores let alone J's at TJ Max. Kinda confused sir. KingKicks theory made the most sense IMO

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Mar 7 11 7:22 PM

^^What, you never seem XI's at Nike Outlet stores? It was a guy on here that got banned because he sold some 2009 Jams that were B-grades and didnt tell the buyer and refused to give a refund. When those Jams were sold at Nike Outlet stores they put them in a orange Nike box. Other than that, TJ Max by me had some Air Jordan 2009's (AJ25) for 39.99, I have seen it with my own eyes....

KingKicks theory makes no sense. They have to get the "Updated" Materials from somewhere, even if they have the blueprints and molds.

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