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Oct 10 08 12:36 PM

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It's that timeimage...(hope that doesn't offend anyone)

First games are November 10th (i believe) and things really get going..
Tuesday, November 18th:

Midnight: UMass at Memphis (ESPN)
2 am: Fresno St. at St. Mary's (ESPN)
4 am: Idaho St. at Hawaii (ESPN)
6 am: College Hoops Tip-Off Special (ESPN)
10 am: Penn at Drexel (ESPN)
Noon: Liberty at UNC-Asheville (ESPN)
2 pm: Iowa at Kansas (women) (ESPN)
4 pm: Centenary at Baylor (ESPN)
6 pm: Richmond at Syracuse (ESPN)
7 pm: NIT Regional Final-Purdue (ESPNU)
7:30 pm: NIT Regional Final-Boston College (ESPN2)
8 pm: College GameDay-Chapel Hill (ESPN)
9 pm: Kentucky at North Carolina (ESPN)
9 pm: Florida Gulf Coast at Kansas (ESPNU)
9:30 pm: NIT Regional Final-Oklahoma (ESPN2)
11:30 pm: NIT Regional Final-Arizona (ESPN2)

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KEY DATES
Oct. 17: Midnight Madness
Nov. 10: 2008-09 season begins
Nov. 18: Kentucky at North Carolina
Dec. 2: Duke at Purdue
Dec. 3: North Carolina vs. Michigan State
Dec. 4: UCLA at Texas
Dec. 4: Southern Cal at Oklahoma
Dec. 6: Wisconsin at Marquette
Dec. 20: Texas at Michigan State
Dec. 23: Kansas at Arizona
Jan. 4: Kentucky at Louisville
Jan. 7: Davidson at Duke
Jan 17: Georgetown at Duke
Jan. 24: Memphis at Tennessee
Feb. 7: Notre Dame at UCLA

March 15: Selection Sunday
April 6: National championship





Coaching changes for the 2008-09 season.

School Out Years Record In
Alcorn State Samuel West 5 44-103 Larry Smith
Arkansas-Pine Bluff Van Holt 6 50-124 George Ivory
Arkansas State Dickey Nutt 13 189-187 John Brady
Brown Craig Robinson 2 30-28 Jesse Agel
Bucknell Pat Flannery 14 234-178 Dave Paulsen
California Ben Braun 12 219-154 Mike Montgomery
Centenary Rob Flaska 3 24-65 Greg Gary
Detroit Perry Watson 15 258-185 Ray McCallum
Drake Keno Davis 1 28-5 Mark Phelps
Florida Atlantic Rex Walters 2 31-33 Mike Jarvis
Grambling Larry Wright 9 88-160 Rick Duckett
Idaho George Pfeiffer 2 12-48 Don Verlin
Indiana Kelvin Sampson 2 41-14 Tom Crean
Jacksonville State Mike LaPlante 8 95-137 James Green
James Madison Dean Keener 4 31-83 Matt Brady
Kent State Jim Christian 6 138-58 Geno Ford
Loyola Marymount Rodney Tention 3 30-61 Bill Bayno
LSU John Brady 10 192-139 Trent Johnson
Marist Matt Brady 4 73-50 Chuck Martin
Marquette Tom Crean 9 190-96 Buzz Williams
Maryland-Eastern Shore Meredith Smith 1 4-28 Frankie Allen
Massachusetts Travis Ford 3 62-35 Derek Kellogg
Mercer Mark Slonaker 11 128-190 Bob Hoffman
Missouri State Barry Hinson 9 169-117 Cuonzo Martin
Mississippi Valley State James Green 3 44-51 Sean Woods
New Jersey Tech Jim Casciano 7 66-119 Jim Engles
Ohio Tim O'Shea 7 120-95 John Groce
Oklahoma State Sean Sutton 2 39-29 Travis Ford
Oregon State Jay John 6 26-68 Craig Robinson
Pepperdine Vance Walberg 2 14-35 Tom Asbury
Providence Tim Welsh 10 160-143 Keno Davis
Rice Willis Wilson 16 219-246 Ben Braun
Sacramento State Jerome Jenkins 8 80-147 Brian Katz
San Francisco Jessie Evans 4 45-57 Rex Walters
South Carolina Dave Odom 7 128-104 Darrin Horn
St. Francis (Pa.) Bobby Jones 9 85-167 Don Friday
Stanford Trent Johnson 4 80-48 Johnny Dawkins
TCU Neil Dougherty 6 75-108 Jim Christian
Texas Southern Robert Moreland 1 7-25 Tony Harvey
Texas Tech Bob Knight 7 138-82 Pat Knight
Toledo Stan Joplin 12 203-155 Gene Cross
Western Illinois Derek Thomas 5 40-104 Jim Molinari
Western Kentucky Darrin Horn 5 111-48 Ken McDonald




Today's rivals preview...#7..


Head coach: Rick Pitino.
Last season: 27-9 overall, 14-4 in the Big East.
Postseason: Earned at-large bid to NCAA tournament. Lost 83-73 to North Carolina in regional final.
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Breakdown: Probable starters | Backcourt | Frontcourt | Offense | Defense | Outlook

Backcourt

Coach Rick Pitino has four guards who at one time or another in their collegiate careers have been full-time starters. What coach in America wouldn't take his chances with that scenario?

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image Louisville forward Earl Clark looks like a possible future lottery pick.

PROBABLE STARTING FIVE
G Jerry Smith, 6-1/Jr.
10.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg
G Andre McGee, 5-10/Sr.
6.5 ppg
F Terrence Williams, 6-6/Sr.
11.1 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 4.5 apg
F Earl Clark, 6-9/Jr.
11.1 ppg, 8.1 rpg
F Samardo Samuels, 6-8/Fr.
Rivals.com five-star prospect
TOP RESERVES
G Edgar Sosa, 6-1/Jr.
7.6 ppg
G Reginald Delk, 6-4/Jr.
9.5 ppg in 2006-07 at Mississippi State
F Terrence Jennings, 6-10/Fr.
Rivals.com five-star prospect
G Preston Knowles, 6-1/So.
2.5 ppg
Last year's Cardinals starters, Jerry Smith and Andre McGee, return. McGee's emergence forced 2006-07 starter Edgar Sosa to the bench. Coming in to lend a hand and plenty of depth, if not vie for a starting role this year, is Mississippi State transfer Reginald Delk. Delk started in 59 of his 65 games with the Bulldogs.

Sosa and Smith have averaged double-figure scoring in a season, Sosa in 2006-07 and Smith last year. Delk averaged 9.5 as a sophomore at Mississippi State. So there is scoring punch, too. And all four have shot at least 37 percent from 3-point range in a season, so they can dial it up from the perimeter at any time. Smith had a team-high 68 3-pointers last season, McGee was second with 52, and Sosa was fourth with 47.

The odd thing, though, is not one of the four is particularly adept at distributing the ball. Not one averaged 2.0 assists per game. But they all take reasonably good care of the ball. McGee led the team in assist-to-turnover ratio.

Sosa worked his way deep into Pitino's doghouse and had a hard time getting out. The head man expects a "big change" in the young guard. Pitino said some players take longer to mature and that Sosa, a Big East All-Rookie selection two years ago, "is finally understanding what team is all about and is maturing into the type of basketball player I want him to become."

Frontcourt

Center David Padgett (11.2 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg) finished up his career, and Juan Palacios (6.0 ppg, 3.8 rpg) and Derrick Caracter (8.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg) are gone, too. For most teams that loss of production would be a major blow, but most teams don't recruit as well or have as much talent returning as the Cardinals.

Earl Clark blossomed into a major scorer and rebounder as a sophomore last season. He posted 10 double-doubles, and it wouldn't be a surprise if he nearly doubled that total this season. He was a dominant force in the Cardinals' run to the Elite Eight, averaging 14.5 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.5 blocked shots while shooting 62.2 percent from the floor during the NCAA tournament. As much as last year could be called a breakout year for Clark, bigger and better things are in store.

The other returning starter up front is Terrence Williams, the Cardinals' assist leader (4.5 per game) last season and another main scoring option. He's a 6-foot-6 all-court player who compensates for spotty perimeter shooting with his ability to put the ball on the floor, score around the rim, rebound and set up his teammates. Williams had two triple-doubles last season, just the third and fourth in Louisville history. With Padgett gone, the leadership role falls squarely on him.

The fifth starter probably will be five-star freshman Samardo Samuels, a 6-8, 240-pound power forward who will emerge quickly as a favorite because of his work ethic and diligence on the boards. He was ranked the No. 9 overall prospect in the class by Rivals.com, and No. 2 at his position. He is a force down low, where he can score with a variety of post moves and rebound. Samuels already has NBA strength. He also passes well out of the post, one of Padgett's best attributes. Samuels will vie for Big East rookie of the year honors.

The top man off the bench up front should be another five-star power forward, Terrence Jennings. The 6-10 Jennings was the No. 18 overall prospect, and No. 5 at the position. He's not as polished as Samuels, but he runs the floor very well for a player his size and can finish around the basket. He also is a big-time shot-blocker.

Offense

Pitino has a variety of offensive options. The chief creator is Williams, who can drive and kick or score in the lane. Clark can face up from 15-18 feet or score on the block. No doubt Pitino also will try to get the ball inside to Samuels on occasion.

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The Cardinals are less concerned about making the NCAA tournament and more concerned about getting at least one step beyond where they finished last year, the Elite Eight. The talent is there for this to be a Final Four team. Clark, Williams and Samuels could be among the best frontlines in the country by season's end. Delk is a big-time perimeter threat, an area that was a bit of a question mark last season. The defense was spectacular at times last season, and it doesn't figure to drop off. If you look at Louisville's losses last season, they typically came when the Cardinals had trouble stopping guards, against whom Smith and McGee almost always are at a size disadvantage. If Pitino can solve that problem the Cardinals easily could find themselves in Detroit in early April.

Defense

The Cardinals ranked second in the Big East and 22nd nationally in scoring defense (61.5 ppg). Their full-court pressure and half-court trapping not only wear out opponents but also force them to go late in the shot clock. The result is hurried shots, bad looks or turnovers. When opponents are able to set up, Louisville plays an attacking man-to-man and gets into the passing lanes.

Shoes to Fill

Padgett. Pitino ran a good bit of the offense through Padgett because of his decision-making and leadership. Those are tough qualities to replace.

Must Step Up

Clark. He has NBA first-round talent. He considered leaving Louisville after last season, but he's back to ensure lottery-pick status.

Impact Newcomer

Samuels. You don't find many high school players as ready to bang with the big bodies in the Big East as Samuels. He will give as much as he gets.



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Kentucky kicks things off tonight, and Illinois I believe has an outdoor Midnight Madness tomorrow.

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Oct 10 08 12:47 PM

Dec. 2: Duke at Purdue
I better see this _ Chitown on the bench....image
9 pm: Kentucky at North Carolina (ESPN)
WOW! Early as hell in the season...

I think it would be good for us to give a personal synopsis of our respective teams...That should be interesting..

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Oct 10 08 1:01 PM

dreClark wrote:
Dec. 2: Duke at Purdue
I better see this _ Chitown on the bench....image
9 pm: Kentucky at North Carolina (ESPN)
WOW! Early as hell in the season...

I think it would be good for us to give a personal synopsis of our respective teams...That should be interesting..

I'd be interested in that too..

G'Town schedule
2008-09 (0-0)
11/17: JACKSONVILLE
11/22: DREXEL
11/27: vs Wichita St. [1]
11/28: Old Spice Classic
11/30: Old Spice Classic
12/06: AMERICAN
12/08: SAVANNAH ST.
12/13: MEMPHIS
12/20: MT. ST. MARY'S
12/23: FLORIDA INTL.
12/29: at Connecticut [2]
01/03: PITTSBURGH
01/05: at Notre Dame
01/10: PROVIDENCE
01/14: SYRACUSE
01/17: at Duke
01/22: W. VIRGINIA
01/25: at Seton Hall
01/28: at Cincinnati
01/31: at Marquette
02/03: RUTGERS
02/07: CINCINNATI
02/14: at Syracuse
02/18: at S. Florida
02/21: MARQUETTE
02/23: LOUISVILLE
02/28: at Villanova
03/03: at St. John's
03/07: DEPAUL
[1] Orlando, FL
[2] Hartford, CT

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Overal I see/expect 20 wins, around a 5th BE finish.....and a 2nd round or Sweet 16 appearance.

The team should gel and start to play their best at the right time, JTIII does an excellent job with that. They'll lose to someone they shouldn't at least once. Just how it is with a young team. But I also think JTIII as good as he is, is good for a win or 2 we shouldn't get. Team is comparable to the 05-06 team that was young, made the sweet 16 and was a tough out in March.

Lineup
Wright
Sapp
Freeman
Summers
Monroe

Vaughn
Clark
Sims
Nikita

..good perimiter play, inexperienced up front. 1-9 can shoot the ball.

Season depends on Dajuan and to an extent Monroe.

It will not be the G'Town offense that people have been accustomed too. Principals obviously still in tact, but they will get out and run more. I firmly believe that. Saw it towards the end of last year. Wright/Monroe in the lineup change things compared to Wallace/Hibbert.


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allen3xis wrote:

* Nov 21 potential Duke vs UCLA match upimage
In the Garden...image
I need to holla at my boss for tickets....If anybody in NYC wanna hit that up that night, let me know and I'll try to get some tickets for yall...

The Villanova Wildcats will meet the University of Texas on Dec. 9 at Madison Square Garden as part of the 14th annual Jimmy V Classic. The `Cats and Longhorns will be the second half of a doubleheader at the Garden following the Davidson vs. West Virginia matchup in the opener. Both games will be broadcast nationally by ESPN.
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The Villanova Wildcats will meet the University of Texas on Dec. 9 at Madison Square Garden as part of the 14th annual Jimmy V Classic. The `Cats and Longhorns will be the second half of a doubleheader at the Garden following the Davidson vs. West Virginia matchup in the opener
Didn't know about this one. image. Abrams gona get abused by either Scottie or Fisher.

...I think Orton is pretty much a lock for UK at this point.

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MessiahChild wrote:
allen3xis wrote:

* Nov 21 potential Duke vs UCLA match upimage
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I need to holla at my boss for tickets....If anybody in NYC wanna hit that up that night, let me know and I'll try to get some tickets for yall...
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already copped my tickets going w/ group of friends....just need the teams to take care of business.

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Tickets go on sale tomorrow morning for the Texas vs. Michigan State and Texas A&M vs. LSU double header at the Toyota Center

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The Sporting News- Pre Season Rankings

1. Radford
2. Gardner-Webb
3. High Point
4. Winthrop
5. UNC Asheville
6. Coastal Carolina
7. Charleston Southern
8. VMI
9. Liberty
10. Prebyterian

All Conference Team
Anthony Smith - LU
Eugene Harris - High Point
Aaron Linn - GWU
Kenny George - UNCA
Joey Lynch-Flohr - RU

Top Newcomer
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Jan. 7: Davidson at Duke
Steph is gonna light us the %#+# up... We're still gonna win tho so


Jan. 17: Georgetown at Duke
That ({}) Monroe still has to come to Durham I HOPE

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Schedule:

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result
11/05/08 vs. Texas A&M - Kingsville x College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
11/16/08 vs. Arkansas - Pine Bluff College Station 4:00 p.m. CT
11/18/08 vs. Stephen F. Austin College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
South Padre Invitational
11/21/08 vs. Jackson State College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
11/25/08 vs. UNC-Wilmington College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
11/28/08 at Tulsa TV South Padre Island 7:30 p.m. CT
11/29/08 Illinois/Kent State South Padre Island TBA
12/05/08 vs. Arizona TV College Station 8:30 p.m. CT
12/13/08 at Alabama Tuscaloosa, Ala. 7:00 p.m. CT
12/15/08 vs. Florida A&M College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
12/17/08 vs. SMU College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
12/20/08 vs. LSU Houston, TX 3:30 p.m. CT
12/28/08 vs. Sam Houston State College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
12/31/08 at Rice Houston, TX 3:00 p.m. CT
01/03/09 vs. Mcneese State College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
01/05/09 vs. North Dakota College Station 7:00 p.m. CT
01/10/09 at Oklahoma State * TV Stillwater, Okla. 8:00 p.m. CT
01/14/09 vs. Baylor * TV College Station 8:30 p.m. CT
01/17/09 vs. Oklahoma * TV College Station 1:00 p.m. CT
01/19/09 at Kansas * TV Lawrence, Kan. 8:00 p.m. CT
01/24/09 at Texas * TV Austin, Texas 7:00 p.m. CT
01/28/09 vs. Texas Tech TV College Station 8:00 p.m. CT
01/31/09 vs. Oklahoma State * TV College Station 1:00 p.m. CT
02/04/09 at Oklahoma * TV Norman, Okla. 8:00 p.m. CT
02/07/09 vs. Kansas State * TV College Station 3:00 p.m. CT
02/14/09 at Baylor * TV Waco, Texas 5:00 p.m. CT
02/16/09 vs. Texas * TV College Station 8:00 p.m. CT
02/21/09 at Texas Tech TV Lubbock, Texas 5:00 p.m. CT
02/24/09 at Nebraska * TV Lincoln, Neb. 8:30 p.m. CT
02/28/09 vs. Iowa State * TV College Station 12:30 p.m. CT
03/04/09 at Colorado * TV Boulder, Colo. 8:00 p.m. CT
03/07/09 vs. Missouri * TV College Station 2:30 p.m. CT

My take on the schedule: I think it's a pretty weak OOC setup. We only play one real road game (I'm not counting the game against Rice in Houston as a real road game), and 2-3 neutral games (South Padre Invitational, LSU in Houston). Too many home games for my liking. I like the matchups against Alabama and Arizona, though, as well as a potential matchup against Illinois or Kent State. On to conference play...very, very brutal opening 5 games. We'll be playing possibly the top 5 teams in the Big Xii in those first 5 games. I'd be very happy with a 2-3 record out of those games. It's very possible that we could end conference play on a 5 game winning streak going into the Big Xii tourney (possibly winning 6 or 7 of our last .


Roster:

No. Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl./Exp. Hometown/High School/Last College
12 Blasczyk, James F/C 7-0 225 FR/HS Houston, Texas/Friendswood
21 Bowles, Denzel F/C 6-10 250 SO/1L Virginia Beach, Va./Kempsville
50 Carrell, Marshall F 6-8 200 SO/1L Paris, Texas/Paris
23 Carter, Josh G/F 6-7 200 SR/3L Dallas, Texas/Lake Highlands
31 Chapman, Chris G 5-11 175 JR/2L Houston, Texas/Memorial
14 Darko, Andrew G 6-0 165 SO/1L Conroe, Texas/Conroe
0 Davis, Bryan F 6-9 250 JR/2L Dallas, Texas/Grand Prairie
41 Elonu, Chinemelu F/C 6-10 235 JR/2L Houston, Texas/Alief Elsik
40 Graham, Bryson G 6-3 195 SR/2L San Antonio, Texas/Reagan/Lon Morris JC
5 Harris, Dash G 6-0 175 FR/HS Los Angeles, CA/Monteverde [Fla.] Academy
11 Holmes, B.J. G 6-0 175 SO/1L Houston, Texas/Hastings
2 Lewis, Derrek G 6-5 195 SO/1L Tulsa, Okla./Union
10 Loubeau, David F 6-8 215 FR/HS Miami, FL/Westlake Prep
3 Roland, Derrick G 6-4 190 JR/2L Dallas, Texas/Seagoville
24 Schepel, Shawn G 6-4 200 SO/1L Dallas, Texas/Flower Mound
15 Sloan, Donald G 6-3 205 JR/2L Dallas, Texas/Seagoville
45 Walkup, Nathan F 6-6 195 SO/1L Houston, Texas/Deer Park

My take on the roster:
-We definitely have some talent on this team, but are lacking depth and experience in some positions.
-Denzel Bowles is expected to finally be healthy, which is great in my opinion. There was some buzz around the kid being pretty good when he was recruited here.
-Our frontcourt is lacking the most experience (and probably depth as well), as Bryan Davis is the only returning player that saw significant minutes last season. -Chinemelu Elonu has supposedly been improving greatly during the offseason, but I'm not really gonna trust that until I see it.
-David Loubeau drew a comparison to being a Darrell Arthur type player from Coach Turgeon, and I've heard many other great things about him from people not associated with the program. Hopefully this kid lives up to my expectations.
-Our backcourt looks pretty good at first glance, with some pretty good experience. I'm expecting Dash Harris to make a pretty big contribution to the team, but not until at least late in OOC or early conference play.

Depth chart:
PG - Sloan/Harris/Holmes
SG - Roland/Sloan/Lewis
SF - Carter/Roland/Walkup
PF - Davis/Loubeau/Bowles
C - Elonu/Davis/Bowles

I think our success is going to hinge a lot on how the freshmen (Dash Harris and David Loubeau) progress and play throughout the season. I'm looking for Harris to end up taking over the starting PG spot at some point during the season, with Sloan moving to his natural position at SG, and Roland becoming the first guard off the bench. Hopefully Loubeau can step in and take over the starting PF position as well, moving Davis to C and Elonu to the first big off the bench. I'm not really sure what to think of our depth this year...a lot of it is gonna depend on how players progressed over the offseason.

My prediction: I think we'll end up winning anywhere from 22-25 games. We'll finish anywhere from 5th-6th in the Big Xii (behind Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor, Kansas...by default, since they're gonna win the North...and possibly Oklahoma State). We'll make the tourney, win our first game, then the second game is a toss up, depending on who we draw. I'm hoping for a Sweet 16 run at least, but that's a pretty high expectation.

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Oct 10 08 3:35 PM

PhilBalla09 wrote:
VABigPoppa wrote:



PhilBalla09 wrote:


* Nov 21 potential Duke vs UCLA match upimage


Noon: Liberty at UNC-Asheville (ESPN) image

Big South image







The Sporting News- Pre Season Rankings

1. Radford
2. Gardner-Webb
3. High Point
4. Winthrop
5. UNC Asheville
6. Coastal Carolina
7. Charleston Southern
8. VMI
9. Liberty
10. Prebyterian

All Conference Team
Anthony Smith - LU
Eugene Harris - High Point
Aaron Linn - GWU
Kenny George - UNCA
Joey Lynch-Flohr - RU

Top Newcomer
Seth Curry - LU image

Top Player
Anthony Smith - LU image

Top Coach
Brad Greenberg - RU











Liberty should be higher, they're better then 9th placeimage


Damn that's crazy I had some interest from Radford under their old coach. They were $!%!@+ terrible then and now they are the pre-season favorite in the conference.

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Oct 10 08 4:03 PM

^ what's that story?

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